Indiana Barrister - Latest Comments in This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Taxpayer 834512 — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:58:32 -0000

Robert & Greg- Thx for pointing out that institutional housing is a moral, fiscal, and societal step-up from single mom new births and a check suppossedly constituting "parenting".

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Robert-NW Side — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:26:37 -0000

Here is an interesting skit from Chris Rock on this very topic raised by WOW on 24 July, post #37, and well-rebutted by Jerry at post #38:
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http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Jerry — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:30:16 -0000

Well I'm in my early 30's so I must be really out of touch, but I would never use the n word as I am white. I have never said that word out loud, ever. Black people can use it and do so without getting in trouble. (Well except Jessie Jackson on Fox News, ha) So why can't I use the "w" word about my own race? In my lifetime, it has been regarded as a funny term to describe the humerous white kids that wanna be black - not mean, hateful or anything else pertaining to racism. regardless, this is about crime so I'm done with this stupid argument. I still say get over yourselves.

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adamlongworth — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:09:21 -0000

on the contrary, jerry (hey, that rhymes) I despise most forms of political correctness. that being said, there is a fine line between not being politically correct and being racist.

mabye you would be so kind as to examine with me the term "wigger"

#1. white-no problem there
#2. n*gger-hmmmm--bit of a problem there--it's a racist term. period.

does wanna be not work any more? I still say it, but then again, I'm only in my early 20's so I might be a bit out of touch by now...

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

CW — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:43:40 -0000

First off, hats off to Trustee Hobbs in taking a stand on the attendance and assistance program. He may be committing political suicide, but what is a man without his principles??

I understand that several students were displaced from the tornado earlier in the spring, and I understand that JMMS is extending the school year because of failure to meet certain criteria, but parents knew that school started earlier.

I don't really care what demographic the students that aren't attending are, they're being truant. Anyone can be a baby momma/daddy, but it takes a real man/woman to be a parent.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Think Again — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:32:24 -0000

Can we all take a deep breath?

SOME students' families were affected by weather-related tragedies.

SOME absent students were probably trouble-makers at IBE, last week and in the past.

But when 400-plus students don't show, it cuts across lots of demographic groups.

No one is "making excuses." People are pointing out the possible reasons SOME students might not attend.

A chunk of the absent students is likely attirbuted to the high mobility of students, and thus the school's record-keeping is behind. Through no fault of the school's. And if you think this doesn't happen, think twice. And it's not a problem confined to IPS. In one suburban school district, a particular elementary's student body changes by almost 40% from August to May. Move outs, move ins...it's tremendously difficult for a teacher to assimilate that many new students. JMMS undoubtedly faces the same problem.

The overwhelming majority of the asbent students could likely be attirbuted to no-attentive parents. And that's new?

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StatlernWaldorf — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:56:41 -0000

Angry, as was stated on the radio yesterday there was not 50% of students affected by the tornado, yet 50% of JMHS didn't show up. It has NOTHING to do with the tornado. Quit making excuses anyway.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Angry Democrat — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:18:46 -0000

Response to Iroc:

Remember - How many of these families were affected by the tornado in the area a month ago? They lost everything. Many of the citizens are in temporary housing at present and do not have a permanent home yet.

Again, this situation has nothing to do with Indiana Black Expo. The governemnt can not discriminate when allocating our tax dollars.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Robert-NW Side — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:44:16 -0000

"While I hate the idea, maybe we are at a point where we have to have large institutional housing for children who are unfortunate enough to be born into such terrible situations." -- Greg, Post #3
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"I agree with the withholding of government assistance from people that are not willing to help themselves and are enable the next generation,..." -- Bible Sense, Post #6
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"...I also agree poor relief should be withheld for these loser parents. However, I will argue that this SHOULD BE common practice." -- Jerry, Post #9
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“Lawrence Township Trustee Mike Hobbes is announcing today that his office will withhold poor relief for any family whose children have not attended school. I like the idea, why should the taxpayers fork over their hard earned money so a bunch of people can sit around and watch television all day?” -- Concerned Taxpayer & Citizen, Post #11
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"Did anyone actually listen to Hobbs on the radio this morning? He isn’t withholding ANYTHING. He actually said that they would still get the assistance needed. How the hell is that withholding poor relief? Hobbs, quit politicing and do the RIGHT thing." -- StatlernWaldorf, Post #23
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FINALLY !!!!! Someone other than ME seems to recall that radio interview. Thanks, Statler! I was going to post a similar rebuttal, but there are already 31 posts here. Yes, it's pure BS about "withholding money", when the Trustee is still paying rent, mortgage, utilities, groceries, etc. What's annoying is that he wasn't called out on this BS while on-air!
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I say we build inexpensive Quonset Huts for these truant kids. One 'Hut' per class subject -- and only REAL subjects taught: Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, American History, Citizenship, and of course, the U.S. and Indiana Constitution . The remainder of the day consumed in boot camp-like physical training, etc.
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As for the welfare parent(s) -- boot their lazy butt out of their TPF (tax payer funded) 'homes', and put them into Quonset huts also -- one hut per family. Bathrooms and showers? No prob! Build a communal Hut for MALE and FEMALE, for toilets and showers.
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If it's good enough for our troops, it's good enough for those who have "claims upon the sympathies and aid of society."

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Moneyguy — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:02:58 -0000

I didn't say kiss and make up! VBG Put down the gun Jerry! It's just humor! VBG

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Jerry — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:43:06 -0000

Moneyguy - enough about Gary already. You don't need to give him credit for YOUR comments, or let us know you also commented on his blog...we don't really care! (no offense to you)

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Moneyguy — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:36:20 -0000

Hold the parents responsible for the kids! TREMENDOUS! My dad would be laughing this is how he was raised and he knows no other way to raise kids! Of course he's only 86 young.
I once again posted this on (copied and pasted) from Advance Indiana. Gary is a bit more manic about his blog then Abdul so there's a lot more to comment about! :) ) Abdul's blog has a lot more humor which I like! Now if you guys can just make up and put links to each other blogs! Come on kids make up!

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

IRoc — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:07:28 -0000

SCARED STRAIGHT?

Failing to ensure your child attends school is a CRIME, it's called neglect of a dependent child.

Those who willingly NEGLECT their children should not receive benefits; on the other hand, if the government is alleging neglect of the child, the government has a duty to investigate and pursue legal actions, including removing the child from the home.

Where am I going?

I spent few days in juvey, when I was a teengager; a scare tactic by my parents, when I skipped school and was caught.

I didn't like it so much, I was like boot camp. I never did that again. lol. It really helps SOME kids and that in itself is better than we are doing now.

We know the parents aren't parenting, but remember something --

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE ANY OTHER PARENT!!!!

They are who they are!

Therefore, they can't teach their kids concepts like "respect", "education", "order","protocol", and "limits & constraints" -- they may not possess those qualities themselves.

We must insist that our government, corporate america reconsider all the money they DUMP into Indiana Black Expo each year, the benefits DON'T add up to the millions of our tax dollars they get each year. This money could be be used in more direct, year-round progams that that have a history of measureable success, such as Boys & Girls Scouts. IBE has monopolyzed the money that could be better used to sponsor these kids so they could develop character and proper social behavior by giving them the opportunities to interact outside their limited sphere. These kids need opportunities for development that don't rely on mom or dad. They need Boys & Girl Scouts, Little league baseball, Gymnastics, track & field. The parents are NOT getting kids involved -- this should be ONE requirement in order to receive benefits. Sure, it'll affect black disproportionately, but, that proportion can't be our goal when the baseline shows our race at the bottom. You can't gain proportion without creating 'special' rules to bring the blacks up the ladder.

We often allow our suggestions to be squelched by allowing the disproportionate argument when it comes to the black race and attempting to modify mass deviant and dysfunctional behaviors.

There is a compelling governmental interests in targeting behavior that plagues the black communities across america. WE NEED SPECIAL RULES that are tied to ANY welfare or relief support from our tax dollars.

"Right on Trustee Mike Hobbs for your decision to withhold relief for those who neglect their children by failing to make sure they attend school!" Prepare for a big fight though, but you'll have a lot of support if you just reach out.

We'll be there!

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Jerry — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:23:03 -0000

wow and think again - please spare me with your political correctness. As a white guy, I can't say the "n" word when some black guys use it as a term of affection, and now I can't use the "W" word even though I'm white.
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Oh, and I forgot I also can't say anything about Obama! I can't talk about Obama's ears, his wife, his preacher, his mother, his father, the fact he is a liberal, his color or lack thereof, his schooling, his middle name, his bomber and mobster friends, his lack of experience, his income, his flag lapel . . . I guess we can't say anything anymore! give me a frickin break - get over yourselves.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Think Again — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:55:26 -0000

No, Jerry, dear heart, I glossed over nothing.

I was trying to be delicate, something you apparently don't understand.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Walter — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:51:41 -0000

I thought the Trustee actually mentioned on the radio that this will apply to all schools within Lawrence Township (or those used by Township residents) when the time comes for everyone else to go back to school. Also, while this is not going to make every child go to school, can't this be a step towards schools reaching out to get their kids to show up? It seems like a decent idea, even if it will not end up changing the world.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

MissouriDemocrat — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:46:53 -0000

I believe the reason John Marshall goes back to school in July is due to educational performance issues during the regular year. They changed it to a year round school to improve scores, etc. It was in all the news at the time, many of you just forgot. Several of these under performing schools hit the all year long schedule when they didn't meet No Child Left Behind, etc. etc. etc. ISTEP, etc. etc. etc. It's a problems geographic area of our city for real. The cooperative housing complex just south of there was the place the young mother was murdered by a bullet going through the wall last year.. she had just moved in! But all this talk of responsibility is great if these people knew the real meaning of that word. Kids having children is the real problem. Loss of parental leadership, etc.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

StatlernWaldorf — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:18:31 -0000

Did anyone actually listen to Hobbs on the radio this morning? He isn't withholding ANYTHING. He actually said that they would still get the assistance needed. How the hell is that withholding poor relief? Hobbs, quit politicing and do the RIGHT thing.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

adamlongworth — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:58:49 -0000

Wow-Jerry--did you learn that term at kkk summer camp?

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Jerry — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:48:03 -0000

TA - I'm sure there were a good amount of young "wiggers" at IBE as well...just saying. None of us know for sure what the percentages are, but the lack of parenting point (regardless of color or if they attended IBE) still holds and is what you glossed over.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Think Again — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:22:11 -0000

Come on, JW, don't play that game...most of the posts on this subject and the IBE subject, were code for black.

I doubt you're really that stupid.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Just Wondering — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:40:37 -0000

Who said anything about black?

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Think Again — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:17:11 -0000

JWM odds are they could've been part of the problem.

But, a large chunk of kids who didn't show up for the first day at JMMS were not at IBE, and, another large chunk isn't black.

Just sayin'.

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Just Wondering — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:03:06 -0000

Odds are they were part of the problem downtown last Saturday don't you think, Think Again?

Re: This Is Why We Have a Crime Problem

Joe — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:01:26 -0000

While I applaud Hobbs' initiative, and willingness to think outside the "box" as it were, I think that he will end up being slapped in the face by our friends at ACLU-IN.

My reason for saying this is that, while a good portion on students attending John Marshall live in Lawrence Township, the school is in fact IPS. Add to that mix the fact that the majority of students attending JM are black, whereas the majority of Lawrence Township is white, and you have a mix made in lawsuit heaven.

The argument can go that the Trustee has no jurisdictional authority over the school (he doesn't) and the fact that he is "picking on" black families (the demographics) would demonstrate a lack of compassion for these black families, and a desire to keep them from benefits they maybe entitled to. If Hobbs were to make this applicable to all schools within Lawrence Township, and not single out a school that is primarily black, then he might be able to defend his decision. Otherwise, I think the Township is going to have to spend it resources defending itself.

Opinion Big "A"?